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Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan: The gender paradox and the importance of competition

Author: Derek Beres / Source: Big Think

  • Jordan Peterson has constantly been in the headlines for his ideas on gender over the last three years.
  • While on Joe Rogan’s podcast, he explains his thoughts on the gender differences in society.
  • On another episode, Peterson discusses the development of character through competition.

Like many people, I first discovered Jordan Peterson on the Joe Rogan Experience. Since Episode 877, the Canadian professor has been on at least five more times, making him one of the more popular recurring guests.

Peterson is one of the most polarizing thinkers of our day. This is apparent from my own articles on him. When I criticized his ideas on gun control, I received numerous negative emails, tweets, and comments, most of them grammatical nightmares (as trolling goes). Yet when I shared his tips for better writing, liberals derided me for entertaining anything the man says. If nothing else, Peterson is a perfect example of how you simply can’t make everyone happy (nor should you desire to).

More importantly, it is possible to appreciate certain aspects of a person’s ideology while being critical of others. Many fans of Peterson seem to be “all in,” while critics won’t take seriously anything the man says. It makes you wonder how either “side” can be in any sort of relationship at all. If Kellyanne and George Conway can maintain a marriage, it is certainly possible to hold conflicting thoughts about a philosopher in your mind and still contemplate value.

Alas, Twitter demolishes all subtleties. Regardless, here are two moments from JRE worthy of discussion.

Jordan Peterson Explains the Gender Paradox – Joe Rogan

Jordan Peterson rose to prominence (and to some, infamy) for his ideas on gender-neutral pronouns. In the above clip, he discusses the “gender paradox” in depth, which he defines thus: “As societies become more gender-equal in their social and political policies, men and women become more different in certain aspects, rather than more similar.”

Peterson is pulling data from the contested “Nordic paradox,” which states that as societies promote gender rights, less gender balance is observed in STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) careers and upper management positions in certain sectors.

Peterson believes there are two types of equality you can pursue. The first is equality of opportunity. He notes that talent is distributed everywhere. Some differences between men and women have been minimized, while some industries, such as academia and health care, are now dominated by women. Though this might place stress on family structure, he concludes that one of the best indicators of economic health in developing countries is their attitudes toward equal rights.

The second is equality of outcome, or equity. Peterson claims the ultimate equity is utopia, but there’s an issue. If you were to break down humans into twenty categories (he says there are many more) such as gender, ethnicity, socioeconomic background, attractiveness, and intelligence, it would be impossible to represent everyone equally everywhere.

“There’s no way you can regulate a society so tightly that every single one of those groups is equally represented in every single one of those occupations at every single level of the hierarchy.”

Are discrepancies between men and women socialization or biological? The relationship between biology and culture is culturally dependent, he continues, then offers a hypothesis: If the differences are primarily social, men and women will become more alike the more egalitarian the society. Yet that’s not what happens, according to the Scandinavian research.

Men are more interested in non-animate things, such as technology, gadgets, and automobiles, while women are…

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